It seems every other day someone is saying the economy in Louisville is going nowhere fast, the condo market is painfully hurting, or there are way too many unoccupied condos Downtown. While we’re certainly still feeling some of the effects of these economic times, all the negative news is getting us down. We’ve noticed before how the small business scene in Louisville has been resilient in the face of this news (here and here), so we decided to take a closer look at the condo market in and around Downtown to uncover what’s really taking place. We spoke with three condo developers to get their take on where the condo market in Louisville is heading.
So is there a glut of unsold condos in Downtown Louisville? While all the developers we spoke with admit there are quite a few condos for sale, the consensus is that the majority of remaining units are situated in the upper cost limits of the Louisville market. No one seems too concerned that the current inventories are more than Louisville can handle and left with a feeling that Downtown is not in over its head.
Mark Isaacs of Legacy Development takes the approach of looking at the Downtown submarket as a niche of the overall housing market. Many of the remaining condos in and around Downtown are listed for above $350,000, and Isaacs says that price point is down across the boards. He notes that anywhere you look in Louisville, expensive condos take a while to sell. It’s important not to beat up on Downtown’s stock of expensive condos when the same dynamics are taking place all over the region.
But even with many expensive luxury units left Downtown, many believe we’re on the right track. David Barhorst of SoFo Development says his experiences have shown the Downtown market remains strong and Bill Weyland of City Properties Group speculates that the remaining condos could sell (or be “absorbed” in real estate jargon) in the next 18 months. Barhorst and Weyland agree there has been some overbuilding of luxury units, but say the market isn’t as weak as the mainstream media is letting on and there are buyers out there. It’s only a matter of time before the current stock is absorbed.
Weyland points out that Downtown living is unique from typical housing options and fundamentally based around Downtown jobs and the walkability of the neighborhood. Someone buying a home in most of the city still must commute work, recreation, and shopping. Living Downtown allows you to step outside your front door and walk almost anywhere you need to go. This is a strong draw for many who desire a new level of convenience not found in driving to the strip mall.
The major hurdle for selling condos has been the ability of potential buyers to sell their suburban homes. David Barhorst says this has been the preeminent problem for Downtown. Plenty of people are interested in making the move, but they can’t sell their current house. He says his experience has been that the Downtown market is stronger than its suburban counterpart as prices remain steady and have increased in some circumstances. In many ways, as the suburban housing market improves, so will the Downtown market.
Out of town buyers have helped to fuel Downtown condo sales. Many young and creative buyers moving to Louisville are bringing a new, urban mentality with them. They want to take advantage of the benefits of city life and are working to create a real Downtown neighborhood. Weyland expects this trend to continue as innovative people come to find jobs in a growing Downtown.
Everyone we spoke with says there’s still plenty of room in the market for sub-$200,000 condos. Mark Isaacs again points to the ease of selling more affordable units not only Downtown but across Louisville. There are few units remaining on the market in this price range and developers have noted that the most affordable units are usually the first to be sold.
Bill Weyland hopes to tap into that niche as he moves forward with several of his projects including the Edge at Liberty Green. He has little interest in building condos priced at $500,000 or above. Instead, his model includes an assortment of smaller, more affordable units. If a buyer is interested in a larger condo, Weyland will combine two or sometimes three affordable units upon request.
There are challenges to overcome when building more affordable units. There’s still a pervasive suburban mentality trying to guide the development of Downtown. Bill Weyland says a condo in an urban environment isn’t going to be the size of a suburban McMansion and that’s a good thing. It’s sometimes difficult to convince banks, though, that there’s a market for small, affordable units. Weyland said his experience shows otherwise.
The cost of a Downtown condo building can present challenges, too. Many times, the land costs and the building type drives up the overall cost resulting in more expensive condos. That’s why a new paradigm for Downtown development that includes smaller unit sizes is so important. Opportunities exist to find cheap land, but an urban multi-family building is constrained by a variety of economic obstacles. For example, building codes dictate the construction method of a building by project size. Whether it’s made of wood, steel, or concrete, the building type will affect the overall cost and risk of a project. Renovation projects face similar challenges.
How long can we expect to feel the results of the economic downturn in Louisville? Bill Weyland pointed out that Louisville never rode the crest of the real estate boom that many Southwestern cities did. Now we’re not facing the same types of problems as other cities that underwent rapid expansion. Weyland says Louisville is not in crisis mode.
Isaacs takes a more conservative approach. He believes that as long as the unemployment rate remains high and foreclosures continue, we won’t see the kind of activity we’re hoping for and prices will generally be depressed in the overall market. He speculates we could face three to five more years of depressed prices and sales across the larger residential market before everything is back to normal.
David Barhorst is happy with the Louisville market today. He said the Louisville market is correctly positioned for growth today and the worst problems are behind us. He speculates that in five year’s time, we’ll be in an even better position as the market grows even more bullish.
But Downtown is currently positioned to make a quick comeback. Weyland points to progress being made on amenities such as the new arena and the general lifestyle that Downtown provides. He says employment in the core has remained strong compared to the suburbs and notes the gains in high paying jobs in the Medical Center. He says the trends remain strong and there’s no need to panic.
Developers in and around Downtown have been quick to respond to market forces, too. David Barhort’s Bycks Lofts recently sold out with the help of a couple lease-to-own options and his under construction Ice House Lofts has been converted to apartments until the market improves. Weyland says its important to manage your own inventory and keep the units leased if they won’t currently sell.
On the upside, there are plenty of deals to be found. While many prices for condos remain the same or have risen in some cases, Mark Isaacs says you can find condos listed for 10 to 15 percent or sometimes up to 20 percent below their market rate. He suggests that if you have a job and have some money saved up, now is the time to find an opportunity. This is especially true for first time home buyers who can take advantage of a government sponsored $8,000 tax credit for first-time home buyers.
- Local Leaders Ponder Louisville’s Future Economy (Broken Sidewalk)
HI Branden,
Nice article. A point of clarification concerning my statements… you asked me how the current market conditions would have an effect 5 years from now and I replied “none”. I believe the downtown market to be correctly positioned today for growth and well into its bull market 5 years from now…
thx
Thanks David. I will update the article.
1300 words? I really enjoy reading this blog and the information, but i am not trying to read an essay here. could the editor please make these posts shorter and more concise? the length of this post and many others are being skipped over by myself because i do not want to spend 10 minutes reading it.
Thanks for the input David. I try to vary the length of posts depending on the topic. Many are short, but lately there have been quite a few longer posts. It relates a lot to how complex the topic at hand it. I do try to summarize the point of each paragraph up front for easy skimming (and have from time to time put important points in bold).
It’s difficult to to strike a balance between short and long posts on some topics, but I will try to edit the long ones down in the future for easier reading. Some of the most important subjects for the city are often long and convoluted.
I appreciate the advice, though. Anyone have any ideas about how you would like to read articles on Broken Sidewalk?
keep doing what you’re doing and let readers decide which things – and how much of them – they want to read. this was a good piece and deserved the coverage you gave it. go with your gut.
All those downtown condos will be real nice with the sounds of road and bridge construction for 20 years, not to mention the 22 lanes of hell slicing across Waterfront Park, Slugger Field and Butchertown.
Kelly is exactly right. Every time I go downtown I look around and shudder thinking about the disaster of concrete and cars that will be slashing through.
I’m afraid I don’t understand the ‘concern’ over longer articles. I welcome them. BS has informed, intelligent, progressive reporting – the more we have such writing, the better the city gets.
I grow weary of soundbite journalism and soundbite discussion. One problem I do see with BS – and most of the local blogs I go to – is that the template used does not allow for true, thoughtful, sustained conversation. The problem is actually pandemic. The recent changes at Facebook make such real conversation unlikely. Media designers think either that people don’t want formats that build sustained discussion, or they themselves believe such design is passé.
On my favorite Louisville blogs – BS, Consuming Louisville, Backseat Sandbar – articles scroll off the page, out of sight, in a couple of days. A conversation that may have started in the comments drifts over the precipice and ends. Even in a forum format like LouisvilleHotbytes ( a desirable format, in my opinion), discussions drift down and out unless there is rapid, constant participation. And that need for the rapid-fire and frequent simply encourages short bursts rather than longer, thoughtful posts.
I’ll continue my little quixotic quest for the kind of deeper, more thoughtful and sustained discussion – online and face-to-face – that I, personally long for and enjoy. I think the city would benefit from such talk – open, frequent, public, visible, smart and real…
as an example, ken: archinect’s forum, in which the thread with the most recent comment pops back to the top. can’t say all the threads are valuable dialog, but the format allows for sustained conversation.
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http://www.archinect.com/forum/
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a drawback is that it requires a separate news feed. old dead-horse conversations could crowd out new news without the separate news page.
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bs had a separate forum piece until recently. it wasn’t really being used…
Thanks, archintent! That’s the kind of template I like (though it’s rather visually unattractive, eh?). What you have on that site is, I guess, what you really need: an international, focused group. The discussion is serious, and, yes, sustained. It may be that we just don’t have a quorum here… but I would still like to encourage Branden in his writing and reporting… and to readers to go with more in-depth, thoughtful comments. I still believe in the power of talk and discussion. Soundbites don’t do it.
As I’ve said elsewhere, 8664 might have fared better if there had been more, more public, more extensive talk in the public forum. All too often the best ideas just get preached to the choir.
There are inherent challenges with any social medium, be it a blog or a forum or something else. With any of them, though, building up a community of people who use actively discuss topics is important and that looks like it may be beginning to happen here at Broken Sidewalk.
With any social medium, the vast majority of readers do just that: read. As the audience builds, discussion begins to grow as well. I really appreciate the dedication of the Broken Sidewalk community and the discussions that are growing and hope that long time voices combined with newcomers can create a really interesting discussion.
As always, I am also trying to implement new features that make this easier, and some of these ideas are helpful. I removed the forums here a while back as it wasn’t being used and was causing a lot of spam. As soon as BS2.0 launched a few months ago, work began on BS3.0, so hopefully versions can foster even more discussion.